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Read Svetlana FULL blog Today I
realized that I have not claimed my authorship of this blog on Technorati yet. And since usually
Technorati is the first tool the majority of bloggers use to make their blogs
noticed by other bloggers, I have decided to correct this by claiming this
Profy blog.
Obviously,
I already have an account on Technorati that owns our multi-author Profy blog (I will appreciate you adding this blog to
your favorites, of course, if you like reading our posts). If you do not
have an account yet, you will have to register first. READ MORE on Svetlana blog
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| By the way, have you had a chance to claim your own Profy blog on Technorati? It really helps people to discover your content so if you are serious about blogging, this is a must-have, I think. |
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Svetlana
I know that first goal of blogs was personal self-expression (publishinhg of personal info).
But I am more interested using blogging platform as a tool for retrieved form other sources and saving information.
I suppose that I prefer to use blog as a tool for Web research - collect info (or snippets), analyze it adding tags and highlighting words groups, then sorting them by tags or importance (a kind of tag) and generating the draft review with bibliography at the end and a lot of apnnexes.
Only then I am intersted to publish my research report or review.
As an example you can see presentation about Web research technologies (at this moment it is in Lithuanian and it is for my students)
But I plan to develop it further and transalte to English.
You can find it on http://www.slideshare.net/zigmasb
The best solution is to download the presentation at first than to look at it on the web site.
It would be interesting your opinion .
I suppose that the most of slides you will understand as there are a lot of English terms.
Other idea.
I plan to try and Profy for Lithuanian or polish or ukrainiann info
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Zigmas, I understand your reasons for using a blog as a content aggregator perfectly well after your explanations - I have seen you highlighting words to clarify what's important about this or that post. But as a blogger I also understand the bloggers that work hard to produce the content, to get readers to view it, and to eventually earn some ad revenue on the content - and it will definitely take quite some time to explain them that you are not going to profit by republishing their content in full :)
I think in this case there should be some alternative in form of web clipping. I myself have heard lots of positive feedback on the bookmarking and web clipping service Diigo. Have you tried it yourself? If yes, what was your opinion about it?
I have read through those parts of your presentation I could understand but, honestly, they are few - mostly the terms and the names of the products so I had to guess how they were connected to each other. In general, I understand what web research is anyway and what tools are used for web research. But I have not heard that blogs can be used to collect information - while I have already seen quite a number of examples where blogs are used to publish outcomes of research process - partly to involve people in the discussion around this research. |
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Svetlana
1. BLOGGERS.
I understand bloggers. Therfore if I save I save both content and URL and author.
Typically when I find somewher info as a copy of blog I enter to this blog and browse it to understand. Therefore interEsts of bloggger are not decreased.
I have enterd to profy more other blog info as I tried to blog (it is very convienent) but I plan to enter info and from websites.
But the number of preocedures are larger than in Web research tools Zotero or Scrapbook and therefore I save in Web research tools.
2. INNOVATIONS and BLOGS
I understand taht blogs have been created for publishing of personal info and discussion about it.
But I have tried to use for other purposes and I did not find examples. But it doesn't mean that other will not do the same later.
There are some ways for innovation:
1. To create a new idea and implement it
2. To find existing product, tool or service and use it for other golas (what I propose - to use bloggers as a tool for collecting, saving and analyzing information. pay attention that not only from other blogs but from any other infosources - websites, emails, etc.
3. To integrate a few existing tools to provide a new service or function.
3. Diigo.
Yes I have tried it.
But If I remember right it has the same disadavantage as ALL other social bookmarking tools - you can save URL, Title and only ONE snippet.
Web clipping is better but they are most often used in PDA.
Therfore the best soultiuon is Web research (online research, internet research, e-research) tool. They can be both for personal using and for sharing information (but such are commercial).
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Zigmas, the only thing that you seem not to understand is that you are not a regular internet user - a regular user searches for some info on Google, finds it, reads it and leaves the page. So when a blogger creates content he hopes that the internet users will find this content on HIS blog instead of on some splog where content is stolen from other bloggers. Simply because regular internet users do not really often click through to the original source if the entire post is already available for review :) Keep in mind that you are unique when making assessments of user behavior and blogger reactions :)
I can not agree that blogs are merely for self-expression any more. I know what a hard full-time job blogging is - I've been managing Profy blog at http://www.profy.com/blog/ for a year and a half now and I know how difficult it is and how little of enjoyable personal self-expression a serious problogger can find in the process. And some blogs have really become a very important source of information on topics such as politics or technology - which have nothing to do with personal information.
As for your proposal to use bloggers to collect information, I don't think it is all that easy to manipulate people to do what you want - they will always do what they find interesting, entertaining and enjoyable and hardly anything else. Don't you think so?
Thank you for the explanation of Diigo disadvantages - when you are only a trial user, you will never get the whole picture of what the product really is, it is always better to ask a heavy user or a professional :)
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Svetalan
1. Surpprise
I am surprised that you made a conclusion that I am not a regular internet user.
During the last seven years I spend each day about 6 hours using the internet .
And I am not only searching but analyze and evaluate information both duing browsing and after its collection and saving.
2. Web research tool and blog
Typically I use 3 Web research tools (two days ago I started to test the fourth) to collect inforamtion, store it, categorize and recategorize duing analysis.
Then i make conclusions or reviews or parts of ldistance learning course.
Therefore I would like to use blog platform for such goals:
- only personal access (collect, store, add and edit tags to the snippets of inforamtion)
- public access (results of analysis) that will be used both to inform other internet users and to get their comments.
I prefer the blogs that publishes information abour narrow content, e.g. Web 2.0, enterprise 2.0, Library 2.0 etc.
3. Profy blog
Yes, I have found it about few weeks ago and I understand that you need a time to create and information and publish it.
I typically read hundreds of pages, test different tools and then write only a few pages.
4. Diigo
Yes, you are right that better to ask heavy user.
I wrote you earlier that I tested more tahnt 10 social bookamrking tools but they all have main disdavantage - you can save only ONE snippet. Therefore I began to use Web research tools and web clipping tools.
You can see the last EverNote in my blog zigmasb.wordpress.com.
It is rather fine - I hope that I shall write my evaluation anslys in one or two weeks..
It is very useful search using a words (tags) - you see these tags in different colours and it is very easy to evaluate search results.
By the way if you use only Google or other search engine you will not find it if you query will be _Web research tool" or "online researc tool" etc.
I found it in my subscribed feed in Bloglines.
Best wishes
Zigmas
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Zigmas, I'm afraid you misunderstood me due to our attempts to speak English when we both are more fluent in Russian :)
When I told that you were not a regular internet user, the word "regular" did not mean routine or active - instead it meant typical, mainstream user. Normally a typical internet user is much less educated about hundreds and hundreds of internet tools that YOU use. So this was actually a compliment to you, and surely I never meant to offend you - I have already come to the conclusion that you are a very experienced and skillful internet user (while a regular user mostly receives emails, searches for information and goods on Google and Yahoo, and read some news). I do hope you will understand the difference in use of words and will not be offended by me - it definitely was not intentionally!
Now I think we understand each other - that would have been the perfect use of blogging software by you in my opinion: private part intended to help in your research and public part to share the results with your readers. This is a very balanced approach and I think we will need to focus on private blogging functionality for Profy to meet requirements of blogging with such a purpose.
I have already read a number of reviews for EverNote and it will be very interesting to see your opinion on this tool.
Have a great day,
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Svetlana
It is nice to try to unterstand our misunderstanding.
1. Regular internet user.
YES, you are right - there are problems with foreign languages.
As
I contacted both with US and European I remember that we sometimes did
not understood each other or US colleague asked me what some Sweden or
Latvian speaks about.
I typically answered that it is Baltic English and I understand it very well. But typically they used different terms.
Svetlana. It would be fine if you find a time to read a 35 pages study report
about _Google generation"
http://www.jisc.ac.uk/media/documents/programmes/reppres/gg_final_keynote_11012008.pdf
You will find information that it is related with this issue (regular internet user).
2. Access in Profy
I have remembered that it might be useful to use and the third access level - "team".
Then we shall have 3 access levels:
- personal,
- team (aprroved by blog owner) ,
- public.
Thank you for your understanding benfit of a balanced approach.
Yes it is complicated when you need to use a number of different tools.
When you evaluate any of them it is not a problem to use it but when you use a number of tools
you need remember sometimes very different interfaces.
E.g. when you save a Web clip in Zotero or EverNote you need at first select folder and subfolder.
If you use Scrapbook you can select or create a new folder after selecting Web clip.
3. Evernote
Yes, I test it and has saved a number of info.
I
try to enter different types of info, create different system of
folders (analog of Categories), different systems of tags, edit info
during saving or after saving etc..
But the most important thing is to test USE of saved information:
- search and retrieve the saved info using ONE or a NUMBER of tags ( I have tried to use three tags and some tags were TWO words)
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export selected info to use in your report
- edit selected info (e.g. add your notes or delete parts of info)
- recategorize info (e.g. in Scrapbook you drag and drop any subfolder very easy. Evernote does not permit it)
- edit tags (add new ones, delete or edit existing if it possible. I
found that there is some problems with tags, e.g. I could not create a
tag "US" - I get a message - it is ambiguous)
- generate
bibliograhy (reference list). Some Web research tools (e.g. Germany Web
research tool enables it, but Zotero, Scrapbook and EverNote does not).
But not features are FREE.
During days-off I have tried very
nice "Export" feature but todays it is not working - I suppose that now
I must buy. But there is no message.
I plan to develop an analytical report to compare all Web research tools that I use.
But I think that it will be in month or more.
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Zigmas,
1. You are absolutely right about foreign languages. Even British English and US English are very different - not to mention the English spoken in India :)
2. Yes, we will be focusing on various tools for group collaboration, including work on particular projects, thus we will have access for teams configured for blogs as well. We fully understand how important it is to enable people do real work on Profy - so this will be our next focus after the performance of the current functionality is fully stable.
3. From your description, Evernote does not sound like the best tool you've used for web research. As for the fact that export does not work now, it may be due to some new release that destroyed previous functionality - believe me, when you are supposed to pay for something, developers of the application will make it perfectly clear to you and you will be prompted to pay every time that they think you might need on of paid-for features :)
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Svetlan
Thank you for answers.
Today I have found in my paper archive an info about very intersting www.groove.net
Groove net founder was Lotus Note author.
Now he is one of the top managers in Microsoft.
I have foudn thei set of tools. This inforamtion could be useful for prearing your STRATEGIC plans.
The main idea is that all these applications have been developed using the same core software.
They include:
1. Calendar
2. Contact manager
3. Discussion
4. Document review
5. Files
6. Forms
7. meetings
8. Notepad
9.Pictures
10.Project management
11. Sketchpad
12. TeamDirection Project
13. TeamDirection - Dashboard
14. Web links
I have URL of this report but now answer is negative - not exists. Maybe I can find it once more but this mean that I need to subscribe for trial and it needs a lot of time.
It is an argument why I like save information sources or main snippets but not to bookmark them.
Zigmas
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| Yes, Grove is a well-known platform for multiple applications - as far as I understand, they have been acquired by Microsoft some time ago and it is now named Microsoft Groove, it is part of their Office suite and is intended to ensure team work. One thing is absolutely true: every team needs a number of applications for the work to be smooth, this is why it is not very difficult to build strategic plans for what applications should work on Profy to ensure efficient collaboration for teams. The difficult part is to actually implement it all and to have the applications developed :) |
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